2020 2.0 Turbo and rock crawling

[gbr]

Hi,

I know it's early in the game, but has anyone taken the new 2020 2.0 litre turbo (no etorque) rock crawling?

I have a 2014 JKUR (35s and 2.5" lift), and I'm looking at upgrading and going 37s. I was hoping to go ecoDiesel, but I'm really put off by the horror stories I hear about the gen 2 engine. Plus, we can go down to -40 here. Plus the MUCH higher price tag.

Gerald

[wayoflife]

So, Mel at EVO has a 2.0L Turbo on a Sahara and when it comes to rock crawling... I can't say that I was too impressed. Not sure if it was turbo lag I was seeing or the fact that he has a Sahara/Sport transfer case but he seemed to struggle a hell of a lot more than when he was driving his other JL Rubicon with a 3.6L.

[gbr]

So, Mel at EVO has a 2.0L Turbo on a Sahara and when it comes to rock crawling... I can't say that I was too impressed. Not sure if it was turbo lag I was seeing or the fact that he has a Sahara/Sport transfer case but he seemed to struggle a hell of a lot more than when he was driving his other JL Rubicon with a 3.6L.

I was worried about turbo lag.

[JeepJL]

I personally don’t like how they sound on the trail. I’m a faithful 3.6 guy. It’s tried and true and the 8speed really brings it to life


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[gbr]

I personally don’t like how they sound on the trail. I’m a faithful 3.6 guy. It’s tried and true and the 8speed really brings it to life


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I love my 3.6, and the JLs are supposed to be better, but if the 4 cylinder works...

[MrGiant]

I personally don’t like how they sound on the trail. I’m a faithful 3.6 guy. It’s tried and true and the 8speed really brings it to life


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I totally agree. Just had the chance to listen to a 2.0 and I am sooooo glad to have the 3.6. The small one just sounds like a toy and not a Jeep

Mr.Giant - '92 YJ
Giant 2 - '18 JLUR

[JeepJL]

I totally agree. Just had the chance to listen to a 2.0 and I am sooooo glad to have the 3.6. The small one just sounds like a toy and not a Jeep

Mr.Giant - '92 YJ
Giant 2 - '18 JLUR

Hahaha, I had to turn around a few times to make sure that noise was a jeep. Lol


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[MRichaud]

So, how do you REALLY feel?

Having owned an '86 CJ7 - originally with the AMC 4-banger that I swapped in an AMC 304 - I can say that was fun to drive!

Then after a couple decades (3?), I'd moved on to British cars. Had a '69 MGB GT that I decided to do a swap. Having restored a Triumph TR8 with a Rover V8 and really loved that car, the first thing I thought about was swapping in a similar engine. Loved the performance and the "burble" of the V8. But then I started reading about the 60-degree GM V6 - its performance, weight, and most of all the easy conversion into the MG engine bay. Went with that and was VERY pleased.

We recently bought an '18 JLU, and again, first thought was going with the V6. But then I read the reviews about the turbo 4 and thought I'd drive one to see for myself. Suffice it to say I was impressed! This thing has almost no lag - at least not that I can detect - great throttle response and it steps right up to the acceleration plate as far as my needs/wants go. Haven't taken it off-road, and may never do so - at least not any serious off-roading. But I can't help but think it would perform well.

[JTCO]

I own a 3.6L JL. You think the 2.0 sounds like a toy? I think the 6 sounds like vacuum cleaner motor with shards of glass stuck and bouncing around its copper windings. You probably haven't owned anything with a V8. I've owned a fair amount and currently have two LS powered vehicles as well as a big block 68 Suburban. To hear someone say they like the sound of a small V6 farting it's way to marginal mediocrity is strange to me.
I've done some type of exhaust mods to most vehicles I've ever owned. I had the pleasure of owning a 1.8 late 80s Jetta years ago. A fun little train station car. I loved it. I had the displeasure of putting a 2 chamber flow master on it thinking it might sound like a 1/2 scale version of my 5.0 fox body. Nooooooo. Terrible mistake. As is putting any type of after market exhaust on the vast majority of 4 and 6 cylinder cars in general. It's just so sad. I see and hear them almost every day. 99% of the time it makes me cringe.

Any half blooded American should be ashamed at trumpeting the sound of a small little pea shooter engine. And any human that's driven a proper V8 car....especially a manual one....is not going to think that something like a 3 point it doesn't matter FCA conglomeration abomination sounds good.

For what it's worth I've bought the wife a string of new VW's over the past 12 years. Havent messed with any of them. They don't sound "good" but they have remarkable little turbo 4''s that drive and perform above their weight class. And the last Golf R was a remarkable car all around. When I went JL shopping I WANTED a turbo 4. But they werent available. Why would I want a 4 cylinder instead of a 6? Torque and driveability.

Anyone talking about turbo lag on a modern 2.0T from any manufacturer vs the torque and power delivery of a high rpm only power making modern DI 6 is not living in reality. Most modern 6s sacrifice low rpm torque for high rpm HP aaaaaaaaaand..... steady stage fuel efficiency. The result? They fng suck to drive. Foot to the floor,banging off the Rev limiter they go ok. Trying to accelerate from 1800 rpm in anything but 1st? HHHAAA! Give me 1/4 of a second of nearly imperceptible turbo lag. All day. Every day. And then I'll just riiiide that ocean swell of torque and grunt. Downshift? Why? Nope. Got torque. Any geniuses out there know why every single car company sells turbo 4s in hohum pedestrian blobs of S?

Sorry for the rant. These entry level forums are a mixed, though heavily slanted, bag. Muscle cars and trucks are more my history and bag. And whIle I've spent most of my life DDing old and new American V8 vehicles... .. if it's American historically it's gotta be a V8 cuz we haven't done so well in other areas....I apreciate and have experienced a fair amount in general and give props to any car/drive train that is """""""""good"""""".

But to hear someone say that they do that like the sound of turbo 4 because it isnt Jeep V6? Omg.

Then again I haven't driven a FCA turBo 4 yet. So given the track record of those guys in general I may be way off base without realizing it. Because I've never been so disappointed with a vehicle in my life as I am with my Jeep. Which I love. But it's a decade or two behind the Koreans quality and development wise. Which is probably why MB lit themselves on fire and jumped out of a window when they realized their mistake.

All sorts of little issues with my JL. And my M6 is slower than S. But it's got a frame. Solid axles. A real transfer case. And I can take the door and top off. And beat it like a redheaded step child. Plus my daughter likes it.

Anyhoo.... there is no such thing as a Jeep that sounds good that hasn't been swapped. I apologize in advance. I shouldn't talk to people.

Sounds like you're trying to compare oranges to apples and someone told you that they're both supposed to be apples. If you want the V8 old American muscle, you don't buy a modern Jeep. Two completely different venues. And as far as 'entry level' forums, I can assure you the owners of this forum have been doing this for decades. So not sure who you're referring to there

[notnalc68]

I own a 3.6L JL. You think the 2.0 sounds like a toy? I think the 6 sounds like vacuum cleaner motor with shards of glass stuck and bouncing around its copper windings. You probably haven't owned anything with a V8. I've owned a fair amount and currently have two LS powered vehicles as well as a big block 68 Suburban. To hear someone say they like the sound of a small V6 farting it's way to marginal mediocrity is strange to me.
I've done some type of exhaust mods to most vehicles I've ever owned. I had the pleasure of owning a 1.8 late 80s Jetta years ago. A fun little train station car. I loved it. I had the displeasure of putting a 2 chamber flow master on it thinking it might sound like a 1/2 scale version of my 5.0 fox body. Nooooooo. Terrible mistake. As is putting any type of after market exhaust on the vast majority of 4 and 6 cylinder cars in general. It's just so sad. I see and hear them almost every day. 99% of the time it makes me cringe.

Any half blooded American should be ashamed at trumpeting the sound of a small little pea shooter engine. And any human that's driven a proper V8 car....especially a manual one....is not going to think that something like a 3 point it doesn't matter FCA conglomeration abomination sounds good.

For what it's worth I've bought the wife a string of new VW's over the past 12 years. Havent messed with any of them. They don't sound "good" but they have remarkable little turbo 4''s that drive and perform above their weight class. And the last Golf R was a remarkable car all around. When I went JL shopping I WANTED a turbo 4. But they werent available. Why would I want a 4 cylinder instead of a 6? Torque and driveability.

Anyone talking about turbo lag on a modern 2.0T from any manufacturer vs the torque and power delivery of a high rpm only power making modern DI 6 is not living in reality. Most modern 6s sacrifice low rpm torque for high rpm HP aaaaaaaaaand..... steady stage fuel efficiency. The result? They fng suck to drive. Foot to the floor,banging off the Rev limiter they go ok. Trying to accelerate from 1800 rpm in anything but 1st? HHHAAA! Give me 1/4 of a second of nearly imperceptible turbo lag. All day. Every day. And then I'll just riiiide that ocean swell of torque and grunt. Downshift? Why? Nope. Got torque. Any geniuses out there know why every single car company sells turbo 4s in hohum pedestrian blobs of S?

Sorry for the rant. These entry level forums are a mixed, though heavily slanted, bag. Muscle cars and trucks are more my history and bag. And whIle I've spent most of my life DDing old and new American V8 vehicles... .. if it's American historically it's gotta be a V8 cuz we haven't done so well in other areas....I apreciate and have experienced a fair amount in general and give props to any car/drive train that is """""""""good"""""".

But to hear someone say that they do that like the sound of turbo 4 because it isnt Jeep V6? Omg.

Then again I haven't driven a FCA turBo 4 yet. So given the track record of those guys in general I may be way off base without realizing it. Because I've never been so disappointed with a vehicle in my life as I am with my Jeep. Which I love. But it's a decade or two behind the Koreans quality and development wise. Which is probably why MB lit themselves on fire and jumped out of a window when they realized their mistake.

All sorts of little issues with my JL. And my M6 is slower than S. But it's got a frame. Solid axles. A real transfer case. And I can take the door and top off. And beat it like a redheaded step child. Plus my daughter likes it.

Anyhoo.... there is no such thing as a Jeep that sounds good that hasn't been swapped. I apologize in advance. I shouldn't talk to people.

Could you elaborate? I just want to make sure we all understand what you are saying.


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