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    Cool If you think saving the planet is nonsense then I wish you would move to another one

    Quote Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
    I hate ESS so much, that if someone could grant me a wish and remove ONE thing I hate about the JL, like the FAD, ESS, second battery, etc, it would be the ESS. ESS is probably the worst feature fitted to vehicles today, and IMHO, in the right situation, it could be fatal.
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    I'd have to say that I'm with you on this. I really do hate it more than any other grievance that I might have with the JL. Sure, you can defeat it with this or that but you still have the stupid light on your EVIC.
    I suppose itís a personal thing but I just donít get why yíall hate the ESS so much. To me, itís completely innocuous. Maybe itís worse with a manual? It would be annoying when rock crawling but it is disabled in 4wd. So whatís the big deal?

    If I had one thing to change it would probably be the FAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillArnett View Post
    I suppose itís a personal thing but I just donít get why yíall hate the ESS so much. To me, itís completely innocuous. Maybe itís worse with a manual? It would be annoying when rock crawling but it is disabled in 4wd. So whatís the big deal?

    If I had one thing to change it would probably be the FAD.
    I hate the ESS, I've had it surge a few times where it almost put me into the car in front of me.

    $300 for a starter that IMO is designed to wear out quicker because of ESS is asinine; haven't looked to see how easy/difficult the repair is but hopefully it can be DIY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spack View Post
    I have found that once you come to a stop, let almost completely off the brake and Engine stop never kicks in


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    Totally roght. I found this too. I think jeep did a good job with the ess, because you can control if it turns off with the pressure you put on your pedal if the vehicle comes to a total stop.
    Before I had the JL I wished I could remove this feature. Now I love it on traffic lights that stay red for about hours or railway crossings

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillArnett View Post
    I suppose itís a personal thing but I just donít get why yíall hate the ESS so much. To me, itís completely innocuous. Maybe itís worse with a manual? It would be annoying when rock crawling but it is disabled in 4wd. So whatís the big deal?

    If I had one thing to change it would probably be the FAD.
    LOL - well duh it's a personal thing! Hence, why NFRs2000NYC said "I hate" and I responded to him with "I'm with you". This as opposed to saying, "everyone" hates. And really, I suppose it's just me but after a lifetime of driving hundreds of thousands of miles, I've just kinda got used to the idea that when I pull up to a stop light, my engine shouldn't just die on me. I'm mean, it's not like I haven't had that happen to me on other vehicles I've owned or even still own but typically, that means something is wrong.

    As far as FAD goes, I for one actually kinda like it especially after having it for over a year and have driven it for well over 20,000 miles. To me, itís completely innocuous. If anything, I love how I can run more positive caster with it being that my front drive shaft won't spin unless I'm in 4WD. Not like I even have to push a stupid button to do that or play around with anything what I get to a stop light to keep it from engaging. So for me, I can't see what the big deal is with other than the fact that for some people, the housing is a weak point. For most, it'll never be an issue. And, it's not as if it'd be a problem if it were to stop working. Not like the ESS anyway. But hey, that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayoflife View Post
    ... I've just kinda got used to the idea that when I pull up to a stop light, my engine shouldn't just die on me. I'm mean, it's not like I haven't had that happen to me on other vehicles I've owned or even still own but typically, that means something is wrong...
    I think that's probably the best explanation. I have to admit it would have startled me the first time I drove a JL if I hadn't already been aware of the issue. I've certainly owned a lot of vehicles where that would certainly have been a cause for concern and all too many where that concern was real.

    I also discovered the trick mentioned above of using very light brake pressure to trick the ESS. The technique is simple enough: just brake as usual but at the very last second release the brake pressure to just enough to stop very gently. (This has the additional benefit of making a very smooth comfortable stop with no jerk.) It's OK to keep just enough pressure to prevent the creep. The engine will stay running. If you get bored you can later press harder on the brake and the ESS will stop the engine.

    Another trick: if the ESS has done its thing and the engine is off you can start it again by very lightly tapping the accelerator pedal while still holding the brake (all good off-roaders use left-foot braking, right? :-) I sometimes do that when I anticipate that I'm about to go (but usually I find that the ESS starts the engine again so quickly that it doesn't matter).
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    That's just the thing I don't like about the ESS, you actually have to think about it and all the time. At least with the FAD, I never think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillArnett View Post
    I suppose itís a personal thing but I just donít get why yíall hate the ESS so much. To me, itís completely innocuous. Maybe itís worse with a manual? It would be annoying when rock crawling but it is disabled in 4wd. So whatís the big deal?

    If I had one thing to change it would probably be the FAD.
    Having no power in a vehicle that is on the road in traffic is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez level stupid. Only an idiot politician thought that something like this was a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
    Having no power in a vehicle that is on the road in traffic is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez level stupid. Only an idiot politician thought that something like this was a good idea.
    Okay, that was pretty damn funny. But, I should not that's not just on road you'd have no power - it's off road as well. The ESS is still active in 4HI and is only disabled completely in 4LO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayoflife View Post
    Okay, that was pretty damn funny. But, I should not that's not just on road you'd have no power - it's off road as well. The ESS is still active in 4HI and is only disabled completely in 4LO.
    But at least offroad you aren't in the middle of an intersection only to have your power cut out on you. I've been in situations before where an accident would 100% have happened had I had that 1/2 second delay before I can get on the power to get out of a situation. You saying that it does it offroad too is just icing on the turd cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC View Post
    Having no power in a vehicle that is on the road in traffic is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez level stupid. Only an idiot politician thought that something like this was a good idea.
    Well, let’s not get into a political personality pissing contest; some of us think AOC is right on. But neither she nor any other congressman made decisions at that level of detail. The laws only mandate certain energy efficiency standards; the manufacturers decide how to achieve them.
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