BillArnett
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And I agreed that there might be a few outlying cases. But you still haven’t told us where that photo was taken.
If you think saving the planet is nonsense then I wish you would move to another one
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And I agreed that there might be a few outlying cases. But you still haven’t told us where that photo was taken.
BillArnett
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That’s technically wrong but practically correct. The amount of oil on Planet Earth is finite. It will not last forever. But it is very large and we’re not going to run out for at least a century, maybe more. Fortunately “alternative” energy sources are becoming cost competitive even without subsidies. The market will eventually shift away from fossil fuel without political pressure. But it will probably be much cheaper in the long run to accelerate that transition .
BillArnett
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And a very nice charging port it is, too. Tesla has offered to let other manufacturers use that port but there were no takers. It’s different in other parts of the world. In Europe Tesla uses the standard CCS connector which isn’t as nice but it works. It’s a PITA that there are so many different standards. I suspect that will change eventually. Or more adapters will become available (I have one for the Chademo standard).
Tesla does not make an off-roader now. But it may some day. They will be announcing the Model Y, their “small SUV”, next week. I suspect it will be about as off-road capable as a Jeep Renegade, certainly no Wrangler. They will also be making a pickup truck sometime in the next year or two (no definite plans announced yet). I don’t expect it to compete directly with the Wrangler or Gladiator but I can always hope
As I said before, I do expect off-road range to be less than on pavement. But by how much is very much an open question.
Pushing a Tesla is no different than pushing any other vehicle with similar tires and weight.
ddays v2
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But by conceding that point you are acknowledging that the whole peak oil concept that had everyone up in arms decades ago has been proven factually false. No one can know if the supply is finite. That's an assumption when we don't even know for certain where it's coming from in the first place.
Point being, the experts were wrong about that. Who's to say in another 40 years it won't swing back the other way to a new ice age is coming?
OverlanderJL
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And I’m not going to tell you where it is. I know where it is and so do others.
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notnalc68
That dude from Mississippi
No one wants the hear you preach. It is quite evident to all, that you believe you are correct, and we are not.
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dixonk
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There was a time in history that the majority consensus was the earth was flat.
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JAGS
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And yet you choose to share a nbc.com story and BS about charging stations. You are doing no favors for climate change.
DavidDJL69
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I’ll say one thing Bill, you’ve got balls tackling this subject on an Internet forum!
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doubletapdaddy
Caught the Bug
Truth. Sounds like a Goodfellas character... Billy Big Balls. Lol.
doubletapdaddy
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Confession:
Sometimes I shower until all the hot water is gone.
Sometimes I shower until all the hot water is gone.
BillArnett
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Yeah, they got the numbers wrong. And for exactly the reason that many here are dismissing climate change: new technology made it easier to pump oil from new places. But the whole Peak Oil thing was more about economics than climate. No one ever disputed that there is lots of coal. And that at some cost coal can be converted to liquid fuels.
Of course it's finite. The whole damn Earth is finite. (The mathematician in me gets upset with sloppy use of "finite" and related terms
Well, first of all we're talking about a whole different set of experts in an entirely different field. But even so, we still have to act today based on the knowledge we have today. Do you want to bet your childrens' futures on the hope that the experts are wrong?
BillArnett
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In fact, the climatologists have making predictions for several decades now. And they've mostly been wrong: the actual warming trends and CO2 levels etc have been WORSE than predicted.
YAHAHA
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If you knew anything about the cabal, you'd know they ain't tree huggers.
It's not just a Jeep, it's an amusement park on wheels.
doubletapdaddy
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Confession:
As I post this, I'm standing in front of the refrigerator with BOTH doors open deciding what looks good.
As I post this, I'm standing in front of the refrigerator with BOTH doors open deciding what looks good.
BillArnett
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I had to look it up but :yup::yup::yup::yup:
ddays v2
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And you're absolutely certain that in another 40 years we won't look back and say, boys, we were wrong again?
Of course it's finite. The whole damn Earth is finite. (The mathematician in me gets upset with sloppy use of "finite" and related terms
:rolleyes2: Finite as in the human timeline. We'll be long dead or turn ourselves into software before it runs out.
My kids are standing in front of the fridge with both doors open trying to find something good
doubletapdaddy
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Touché. :cheesy:
NFRs2000NYC
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Not just a proprietary port, but a proprietary RATE....if you tried to supercharge any other EV with a tesla charger, their batteries would explode with that much current.
BillArnett
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Some of the upcoming EVs from the Germans will allow an even higher power charger.