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    I havent had any "death wobble" at high speeds or maybe I just havent noticed it


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    Death Wobble on Stock JL

    Quote Originally Posted by JL_selena View Post
    I havent had any "death wobble" at high speeds or maybe I just havent noticed it


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    This is a death wobble.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yv...&feature=share

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    Quote Originally Posted by JL_selena View Post
    I havent had any "death wobble" at high speeds or maybe I just havent noticed it


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    I experienced something unnerving today at about 80mph, it's definitely not death wobble but seeing that the JL is all electronically controlled, I'll out it out-of-sync wobble.

    It felt like the steering was out of sync/delayed and pulling hard to the right. When I'd correct in trying to keep it centered in the lane, there would be a delay then correction and it felt like I was chasing the direction the steering had decided to go.

    If a cop would've been behind me I think I would've been pulled over for suspected drunk driving.

    It was unnerving and the weirdest thing, it really felt like I was chasing the steering.

    I slowed down to about 55 and for lack of a better description, I could feel it re-center as I held the wheel level...weird as hell shit.

    Parked for the night and taking to to the dealer tomorrow.

    IMO this much computing does not belong on this type of vehicle. A lot to be said for mechanical input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeeep View Post
    I experienced something unnerving today at about 80mph, it's definitely not death wobble but seeing that the JL is all electronically controlled, I'll out it out-of-sync wobble.

    It felt like the steering was out of sync/delayed and pulling hard to the right. When I'd correct in trying to keep it centered in the lane, there would be a delay then correction and it felt like I was chasing the direction the steering had decided to go.

    If a cop would've been behind me I think I would've been pulled over for suspected drunk driving.

    It was unnerving and the weirdest thing, it really felt like I was chasing the steering.

    I slowed down to about 55 and for lack of a better description, I could feel it re-center as I held the wheel level...weird as hell shit.

    Parked for the night and taking to to the dealer tomorrow.

    IMO this much computing does not belong on this type of vehicle. A lot to be said for mechanical input.
    Maybe your tires were tracking in a groove in the road or was it really smooth? There was the whole stiff steering wheel thing a while back but I think that somehow got corrected like in an update & this sounds different. I’d be spooked too. Can you re-drive that stretch at 60 & see if it still happens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeeep View Post
    I experienced something unnerving today at about 80mph, it's definitely not death wobble but seeing that the JL is all electronically controlled, I'll out it out-of-sync wobble.

    It felt like the steering was out of sync/delayed and pulling hard to the right. When I'd correct in trying to keep it centered in the lane, there would be a delay then correction and it felt like I was chasing the direction the steering had decided to go.

    If a cop would've been behind me I think I would've been pulled over for suspected drunk driving.

    It was unnerving and the weirdest thing, it really felt like I was chasing the steering.

    I slowed down to about 55 and for lack of a better description, I could feel it re-center as I held the wheel level...weird as hell shit.

    Parked for the night and taking to to the dealer tomorrow.

    IMO this much computing does not belong on this type of vehicle. A lot to be said for mechanical input.
    People seem to have completely wrong ideas of how the steering works. The electric part of the steering is just the pump. It has nothing to do with the steering gear. That is all mechanical. There is no "delayed computing". The physical turning of the gear is 100% mechanical from wheel through steering shaft, spring in gear, sector shaft, etc. The electric pump just replaced the pump that used to be on engine.

    Now the electric pump does change speed/assist level based on vehicle speed. Is it possible you aren't getting enough assist so you are over compensating back and forth? Maybe. This was actually one of the problems on the reports early on of "locking up" when the pump software was updated to change the assist level vs speed curve. Again your steering cannot actually lock up from anything due to electrical either, you can unplug the dang pump and you still have manual steering which would be very hard to turn since it's a hydraulic box. How old is your Jeep? It's possible it never got the updated steering assist map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13_gecko_rubi View Post
    People seem to have completely wrong ideas of how the steering works. The electric part of the steering is just the pump. It has nothing to do with the steering gear. That is all mechanical. There is no "delayed computing". The physical turning of the gear is 100% mechanical from wheel through steering shaft, spring in gear, sector shaft, etc. The electric pump just replaced the pump that used to be on engine.

    Now the electric pump does change speed/assist level based on vehicle speed. Is it possible you aren't getting enough assist so you are over compensating back and forth? Maybe. This was actually one of the problems on the reports early on of "locking up" when the pump software was updated to change the assist level vs speed curve. Again your steering cannot actually lock up from anything due to electrical either, you can unplug the dang pump and you still have manual steering which would be very hard to turn since it's a hydraulic box. How old is your Jeep? It's possible it never got the updated steering assist map.

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    ok, that makes more sense. Like I mentioned for better lack of knowing what to call it, it felt like I was chasing the steering but I may have in fact been overcompensating and the assist was actually delayed?

    That would explain why it feels real tight at times then loose. My 2010 hydraulic assist would be real hard to turn at idle and as soon as I upped the rpm's it would turn too much once the fluid flowed thru (it's been fixed).

    The Jeep is only a couple of weeks old to me, but have no idea how long it's been on the lot.

    I have an appointment early AM, they were too busy today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeeep View Post
    ok, that makes more sense. Like I mentioned for better lack of knowing what to call it, it felt like I was chasing the steering but I may have in fact been overcompensating and the assist was actually delayed?

    That would explain why it feels real tight at times then loose. My 2010 hydraulic assist would be real hard to turn at idle and as soon as I upped the rpm's it would turn too much once the fluid flowed thru (it's been fixed).

    The Jeep is only a couple of weeks old to me, but have no idea how long it's been on the lot.

    I have an appointment early AM, they were too busy today.
    You actually described it well! At least I understood it lol

    The electric steering pump is evtpy opposite of your jk pump. It provides a lot of assist at low speeds for manuverability then backs off at higher speeds for feel. Hope the issue is just you need the SW update.

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    It seems to me the symptoms are temp sensitive. I wonder if the bushing compound is the culpret?

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