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    I agree completely with that. I want a quality product, but at some point the cost of R&D should probably be figured into higher volume sales rather than higher price of a single unit. I'm not a business major so I don't know where that line is, or how the determine what to charge for a product. And if I understand you correctly, your point is that at some point a company is "over-engineering" the product and simply adding cost by putting extra time into it. Having been on the engineering side of things in the past I have a much better understanding of that side of it, and you are absolutely correct. You can engineer a product, pretty much indefinitely trying to make it better. Hence the iphone 2, 3, 4, etc. You keep working on a product to make changes/improvements and roll out updated versions. Mechanical parts are no different, so development could go on forever. Where do the lift companies draw the line and say this is a good product rather than pouring more money/time into it? Hard to say, it's obviously up to them, but I'd hope they don't overdo it and make a product super expensive.

    Like you, I don't necessarily want the Rolex or the Timex. I'd rather something in the middle like a Citizen. Quality, probably a bit more expensive than the cheapest option, but not gratuitously expensive like the "high end" option either. I just want to know that I've bought a quality product, so I take my time to investigate the claims. Talk to people who have the product, compare the materials of similar products, etc. Do I put more into it than a lot of people? Maybe.... probably. It's just the way I'm wired.
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    Seems like Iím in the same boat as JeepGA and Shots.

    The market determines the fair price. Dynatrac has a jump on the competition so they can charge what they want. Their price may also end up being the going market rate. At this point, nobody can deal argue with their price being fair or not; there just isnít enough other competition to compare it against. I think what throws people like us off is that their cost is in the R&D for the springs and shocks, so there are other components missing in their kit that weíve come to expect at this price point, based on other early offerings.

    I may just shell out the cash for Dynatrac - despite the early issues (hoping rev2 is better).

    Then again, given the backorder timeline, I am thinking it might be worth waiting for SEMA to see what else hits the market.

    My guess is that Iíll end up with Dynatrac (and I bet Iíll be very happy with it), but will try to be patient for another week to see what SEMA brings, it anything.


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    Lift confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by aug0211 View Post

    I may just shell out the cash for Dynatrac - despite the early issues (hoping rev2 is better).

    Then again, given the backorder timeline, I am thinking it might be worth waiting for SEMA to see what else hits the market.


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    This early issue is nothing to constantly complain about. Itís fixed so move on.

    I didnít have a problem with any backorder. I ordered my Dynatrac lift on Monday and it shipped 2 days later. It should be at my house this Tuesday.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepGA View Post
    I'd like to know when one of these products is overserving through unnecessary engineering. That just adds cost. On the other hand, knowing where that line is drawn is critical in this decision for me..... I just wanna protect my investment and have some fun
    Quote Originally Posted by Shots View Post
    I agree completely with that......... Do I put more into it than a lot of people? Maybe.... probably. It's just the way I'm wired.
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    Seems like Iím in the same boat as JeepGA and Shots.......
    It all comes down to YOUR pocketpook guys. It's your money, you don't need to justify to anyone how you spend it. But don't forget about the customer service aspect as well. Does the company you're buying from have a good reputation or no? I have personally dealt with Dynatrac several times and can say that they are top notch. Even when the product was out of warranty they still sent me replacement parts at no charge. This means an awful lot. Face it, Jeep spent a little coin engineering the JL's. The parts have a factory warranty and have been through extremely rigorous durability testing. I'm no engineer and I don't know what the time frame these parts are tested to last is but I know it's significant. So then we take a perfectly engineered vehicle and fuck it up by taking all of those parts off of the vehicle and placing aftermarket parts on it that we HOPE have been engineered to the same standards. THAT'S why companies like Dynatrac, EVO, ATX wheels, Warn winches, etc, etc are constantly recommended over Metalcloak, RUbicon Express, etc etc. Do they cost more? Yep. Quality and peace of mind that your parts are gonna hold up are worth the extra to a lot of folks. Up to you if you want to spend the extra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddays v2 View Post
    It all comes down to YOUR pocketpook guys. It's your money, you don't need to justify to anyone how you spend it. But don't forget about the customer service aspect as well. Does the company you're buying from have a good reputation or no? I have personally dealt with Dynatrac several times and can say that they are top notch. Even when the product was out of warranty they still sent me replacement parts at no charge. This means an awful lot. Face it, Jeep spent a little coin engineering the JL's. The parts have a factory warranty and have been through extremely rigorous durability testing. I'm no engineer and I don't know what the time frame these parts are tested to last is but I know it's significant. So then we take a perfectly engineered vehicle and fuck it up by taking all of those parts off of the vehicle and placing aftermarket parts on it that we HOPE have been engineered to the same standards. THAT'S why companies like Dynatrac, EVO, ATX wheels, Warn winches, etc, etc are constantly recommended over Metalcloak, RUbicon Express, etc etc. Do they cost more? Yep. Quality and peace of mind that your parts are gonna hold up are worth the extra to a lot of folks. Up to you if you want to spend the extra.
    End of the day I trust experience and want quality. Just means I may do less with better stuff...or take..more time to do everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP223/3USA View Post
    This early issue is nothing to constantly complain about. Itís fixed so move on.
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    ^^^yes, thank you!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ddays v2 View Post
    .... But don't forget about the customer service aspect as well. Does the company you're buying from have a good reputation or no?....
    Great point, customer care does matter. I bought an optic for my rifle, which was more expensive than a lot of the competition, but they offer an unconditional lifetime warranty on it (Votrex Optics VIP Warranty). Yes I paid more for it than I would have for similar optics offered by other manufacturers, but the customer services was worth the extra expense for my use. Your post about their customer care is something I can certainly understand. This adds to their quality, and subsequent price. Thank you for not only giving an opinion, but for also including personal experience relating to how you formed that opinion.
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    Donít forget about the cool duffel bag you get, that gotta be worth something.

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    Hey everyone Iím late to this party, have an Ď18 OB JLUR, added ICI Magnum stubby bumper, Smitty X20 winch, 35Ē tires (-12 offset). Also new to the lift scene. From what yíall have said and I have read elsewhere, this Daystar enduro kit is a nice option. But I must add Iíve heard very good things about RK and MetalCloak. How does it compare to those brands? Iíve typically heard RK is the best without getting into the crazy expensive kits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmeegz View Post
    Hey everyone Iím late to this party, have an Ď18 OB JLUR, added ICI Magnum stubby bumper, Smitty X20 winch, 35Ē tires (-12 offset). Also new to the lift scene. From what yíall have said and I have read elsewhere, this Daystar enduro kit is a nice option. But I must add Iíve heard very good things about RK and MetalCloak. How does it compare to those brands? Iíve typically heard RK is the best without getting into the crazy expensive kits.


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    This almost sounds like a troll attempt. If it isn't, you haven't done any reading on recent threads. Please read around this forum to find Metal Cloak and Rock Crawler aren't the best. This community prefers Evo, Dynatrac, or Rancho.... somewhat in that order. Wide price ranges for different builds.

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